the new york times bureau chief in cairo, david kirkpatrick insisting that the muslim brotherhood is not, and i do ," not violent by nature and have come over the last couple of decades, you off more and more into a moderate conservative but religious moderate regular old political force. well, joining us now is jonathan chancellor, former counter-terrorism analyst, current vice president of research for the foundation for defense of democracy, and it is good to have you with us. your reaction to kirkpatrick's description. >> let me first say that the brotherhood, when it was founded did have a violent army, and that was one of the reasons why the egyptian goverent ended up railroading get out of the political system. over time the brotherhood has vowed to be a nonviolent organizations over the last several decades. -- lou: i am going to beg you for something because we're really shed f time. >> yes,. lou: if you will, was history and more in your judgment. >> sure. bottom line is that the brother is the cornerstone of every violent organization that we see up there today. and so it